Author: Chris Whittington
Date: 11:12:30 10/22/97
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On October 22, 1997 at 13:49:02, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On October 22, 1997 at 09:51:20, Chris Whittington wrote: > >> >>On October 22, 1997 at 09:19:26, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On October 22, 1997 at 06:33:23, Chris Whittington wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>On October 22, 1997 at 05:16:45, Walter Ravenek wrote: >>>> >>>>>Since there is nothing in the tournament rules to forbid you >>>>>to use the fastest machine you can get, it is no use complaining. >>>>> >>>>>However, it definitely is a point worth considering when organizing >>>>>the next tournament. I would strongly be in favour of a uniform >>>>>platform tournament. >>>> >>>>This is very difficult to define and would exclude all kinds of people >>>>and hardware platforms that we might want to participate. >>>> >>>>I'ld like to see a generally 'fair' tournament. Like in my kids school, >>>>they do sport and games. Each year group plays children of the same age. >>>>Some children are bigger and fitter and their ages range over 0-12 >>>>months difference. >>>> >>>>This isn't uniform, bit it is kind of fair, in general. What wouldn't be >>>>fair, woudl be including players that were 1 or 2 or 3 years older. >>>> >>>>One thing that troubles me this year (and no doubt all the other years), >>>>is that we only get to hear that so and so is using 100,000 TeraHertz at >>>>pretty much the last minute (or last month or whatever), certainly after >>>>applications have gone in, and also after I've paid my semi-irreversable >>>>$1000 and sorted out an operator and all the other things that make the >>>>application solid. >>>> >>>>If I knew, say 12 months before, what the top machine could be, I'ld >>>>have time and space to (a) get one myself, (b) decide whether I wanted >>>>to go at all, (c) not get pushed into some last minute desperate, >>>>expensive effort at trying to compete. We would ALL get off more >>>>cheaply, since we wouldn't be tempted to spend megabucks on some rare >>>>fast liquid notrogen cooled monster that happended to becoem available a >>>>few weeks beforehand. >>>> >>> >>>I don't see how this is an issue. #1 was there any doubt that Dark >>>Thought >>>or Chess Guru would show up this year? #2 I didn't know any sooner than >>>you >>>did about the 766mhz machines (which as I have already said, I doubt if >>>we >>>get one of 'em). We started working on getting an alpha about 2 weeks >>>ago, >>>and had no problems in getting a decent machine from DEC. >> >>Dark Thought and Chess Guru. Not heard of the latter, can live with the >>former. Neither of them are crowing and shouting and competing in the >>forum of programs. >> >>Ferret and Crafty we hear a lot about. Crafty-crowing has become quite >>commonplace recently. So, programs, in with a chance anyway, on normal >>hardware; then with 100,000,000 tera-megas flops, seem IMO to be trying >>it on; and tryign to get an unfair advantage. I mean if Anance turns up >>on a Cray, I wouldn't be concerned. Get it now ? >> >>Chris > >would you please define "crafty crowing"? ROFL :) I don't think I can crystallise it into a few words. Its something to do with all this amateurs on the rise stuff and other things ..... > I don't believe I've had a >lot to shout about Crafty will win, crafty is better than "x", and so >forth. In fact, I believe that I have come up with exactly "0" posts >that would fit the above. No, we just have to read what is implied. > >Dark Thought guys have posted results of their program on r.g.c.c quite >frequently when a test position is posted. I don't take it as >"crowing." > >As far as "Ananse"... for all I know, Crafty is going to do poorly >anyway. >I have *not* done any computer-type tuning, I'm playing with the same >code >that a couple of GM's are calling "somewhat over-aggressive in trying to >win drawn positions and trying to draw lost positions." I simply don't >understand what it is about the name "crafty" that strikes such fear >into >people. Deep Blue I could understand. Crafty I can't... > >and as for crafty-crowing becoming commonplace, could you be more >specific?? Kaw - kaw :) Chris
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