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Subject: Re: Ferret - Gandalf

Author: Chessfun

Date: 00:02:52 08/20/01

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On August 20, 2001 at 02:44:26, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>On August 19, 2001 at 15:10:01, Robert Pawlak wrote:
>
>>On August 19, 2001 at 15:02:45, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>
>>>[D]rr4k1/5p2/3p2p1/3PP2p/pnP4P/qn2NR2/5PP1/1B1Q2K1 w - - 0 44
>>>
>>>Rxf7!!
>>>
>>>Perhaps not all that hard to find, but still very very very very
>>>very nice.
>>>
>>>--
>>>GCP
>>
>>Yes, not hard to find, but the follow-up was sweet! I wonder what Ferret's eval
>>was doing during the game. To the naked eye, things looked pretty grim on the
>>q-side.
>>
>>Bob
>
>Ferret was never happy, but it thought it was doing not terrible after the
>exchange sacrifice, which is some bad thinking in my opinion.  It was an
>embarassing game because the program tried to play on the q-side.


It seems the ex sac is something that a lot of programs go for due to how badly
cramped the position was.


>The position degenerated due to lack of any plan and any counterplay, until at
>the point where it played e5 it was at perhaps -3.7.


This e5 IMO is the most stunning move I've ever seen a computer play.
Regardless of the benefits later of declining the rook and playing
Qc1.


>It seems to me that e5 was just thrashing, although obviously it was correct
>thrashing.  There was a fail-high on that move.  My instinct is that this was
>the crucial move and not Rxf7.


Playing e5 it must have already seen it's next would be Rxf7.
While others may play Rxf7 I doubt many will see e5.


>Rxf7 was still about -2.  I think it expected Qc1 after that but I am not sure.
>
>Once it got to play the queen out it thought it was a draw approximately, or
>perhaps exactly.  Gandalf's score varied from +0.8 to over +3.0.
>
>... Kc8 was the move that caused Ferret to go positive.

>To those of you who are wondering what I was thinking, I was thinking about
>throwing up.

Still a really stunning game. Congrats and good luck with the rest.

Sarah.




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