Author: Albert Silver
Date: 11:50:37 05/21/02
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>>2200? you must be kidding! my rating is 2240 FIDE and even if i start all my
>>games against fritz with 1.h3 or some other (quite sensible) moves to take it
>>out of the book, i have no chance against it.
>>maybe someone here could experiment with a few top programs using no book
>>against other top programs.
>
>Give up. This is an old argument that started on r.g.c.c a year or two ago.
>I challenged those saying that an engine was 2200 without a book to play mine
>in a match. They wriggled and finagled, and _never_ accepted. Because they
>_know_ this is nonsense, but it makes for a good "troll" or "diversion" for
>them..
I beg to differ. The claim was that an engine was not much better than _1900_
without a book. The argument got quite funny as I recall. After much wriggling
as you noted, the main proponent of this idea explained that if it played the
Schliemann (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 f5) with White and no book it would do no
better than a 1900 performance. Not a problem, you noted, as with no book this
would never happen as it didn't even play the Ruy Lopez with the book off much
less the Schliemann. The answer was that this proved your program was bunk as it
didn't play a known superior opening when all strong players know and play it.
Well, the modern Najdorf, a known superior opening wasn't played until the 50s
either so I guess that all the players prior to then were bunk too. At that
point the all-time winning strategy was to change the subject and say that your
problem was that you didn't understand the issues and problems involved due to
your narrow view of things, etc. :-)))
You know, I think one could easily write a modern version of Eliza like that.
Albert
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