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Subject: Re: Strength of the engine in chess programs

Author: Robert Henry Durrett

Date: 09:01:13 05/27/02

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On May 20, 2002 at 13:22:19, Robert Hyatt wrote:

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>>"It's clear cheating to play with books against humans".
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>>w.b.r.
>>Otello
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>Let me clarify the argument against that statement:  "there is no currently
>existing in FIDE or USCF rules that prevent memorization of long seqauences
>of opening moves."  Never has been, never will be.
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Bob, you may recall from several years ago that I advanced the idea at rgcc that
the computers [especially the huge IBM  DB monster] have what I felt was an
unfair advantage over human opponents.  [Of course, this is a matter of ethics
and personal preferences/perceptions].

My feeling was based on the possibly invalid assumption that the top GMs do not
have the ability to memorize nearly as much as what can be stored in a
computer's hard disc.  This assumption could be wrong, however.  All one has to
do is to is watch a professional pianist play a very long piece of classical
music from memory to have doubts as to the limitations of humans.  I certainly
do not know the limits on the memorization ability of Kasparov, for example.

In other words, I felt that the almost instantaneous access of the computer to
HUGE HUGE HUGE opening/endgame books and game databases put humans at a distinct
disadvantage.

I suggested that the answer was not to deny the computer it's access to that
information, but rather to give the human the same access.

But human accessing of databases is orders of magnitude slower than a chess
computer's accessing of those same databases.

So, the obvious answer is to allow the human to have the assistance of a
computerized "librarian" during the course of the computer/human tournament
game.

Many people would surely object to that.  It's simpler to just keep the
computers "silent" and out of tournaments.  How one would get FIDE or any
tournament organizers to go along with that idea is unknown to me.  Perhaps it
may be more acceptable outside of the big human tournaments.

But, from a purely ethical standpoint, trying to equalize the resources of the
two opponents seems to me to be the "fair" thing to do.  More importantly, it
might better serve research objectives for those who are trying to improve chess
computers or to better understand what's going on in a GMs mind.

Bob D.




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