Author: margolies,marc
Date: 07:22:22 04/30/04
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I have a short answer for you about owners of multiple chess engines, as I belong to that society. When a computer kicks your butt across the chessboard in the exact same style every and each time it gets a little boring. these engines are yet a form of entertainment. (eg. Rebel kicks me above the knees, Fritz kicks me below the knees whilst shredder sucker punches me!)I also find divergent analytical ideas when reviewing my tournament games useful, but not as useful as going over the game plans with a **qualified** IM or coach. Yet the advanced preparation of doing that saves me (valuable) time with an IM. Interesting opening books are often a factor in purchases of newer engines. I say this in spite of the fact that I do not have a recent version of Junior with the new alterman book nor did my lokasoft version of ruffian come with djorde's book. I suppose that if I were as much of a week-end chess warior as I once was, then I wouldn't have time for all this engine stuff. I cannot say that I would buy vincent's engine because it beat shredder in just one tourney. Mr. D is probably making the correct decision for now. Would that he could differentiate his product in the market somehow (perhaps as the first linux64 amd mp engine also usable on a mac) that might be a different ball of wax-- although also a smaller market. eom-marc On April 29, 2004 at 11:30:29, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote: >On April 29, 2004 at 10:05:58, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On April 29, 2004 at 09:43:02, Peter Berger wrote: >> >>>On April 29, 2004 at 09:27:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>Basically you say i should target at those 1000 guys who want to run other >>>>software under their chessbase? >>>> >>>> >>>>And if i'm real lucky then a small part of those users will buy DIEP, if it >>>>would get sold? >>>> >>>>What planet do you come from? >>> >>>I think you might have a point here. This week there is a (very nice) review of >>>Shredder 8 and Junior 8 at ChessCafe by Kjell Arne Brekke: >>>http://www.chesscafe.com/Reviews/books.htm >>> >>>While he does a good job of highlighting all the general effects of the programs >>>all using the same interface and the outdated helpfiles in general for an >>>ordinary user( who isn't puzzled when Shredder calls itself Fritz 6 in the >>>chatter?), his basic conclusion that he can't think of any reason why one should >>>get one of the others, if he already owns one of them (Fritz, Junior, Shredder) >>>sounds even more convincing. >> >>I feel Kjell has shown one of the keypoints here. >> > >Well, I don't see a keypoint here. >No chessplayer whithout special interest in computerchess will buy two or three >chessprogram within a year, if it is very different or not. Also when he first >have bought a playingprogram he will most probably stick with it and upgrade it >when there have been enough changes. For Fritz etc. I would guess a Fritz 5.32 >user could look for a new version, if not the playchess thing have appeal, then >you could stretch back to a Fritz 6 user. > >The highest potensial would be with firsttime buyers, or them who upgrade their >PC so they can't play with their dos-program anymore. > >I have bought very few playing program from ChessBase and when I should buy one >last time my choice landed on Shredder 6. The only reason for my choice was that >I could plug it into Chess Assistant. Else I only wanted a program based on >Fritz 7. > >I get some mail throughout the year where people ask for advice before buying a >chessprogram, only once I have heard any mention of engine-engine strength. This >was when Shredder had won the WC in London (2000). Else I don't think many even >know about SSDF-list or other rating list for computer. > >>If you run under that interface, it's only Fritz that counts. The rest is >>peanuts. >> >>Then if you play a match fritz versus your engine, things are not done sportive; >>there are protocol issues which cause for some weird reason each new version >>that your program has a disadvantage. I do not say this is done deliberately (i >>would get sued otherwise for saying that) but it sure has its effect. The effect >>is you just get nailed for whatever reason. > > >> >>That already is enough reason to not release your engine in a protocol that >>chessbase can read. >> > >Again your main concern is engine-engine matches, so now I agree that your only >selling potensial are the so called 'nerds'. > > >Odd Gunnar
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