Author: Lars Bremer
Date: 07:05:55 08/03/05
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On August 03, 2005 at 08:18:58, Reinhard Scharnagl wrote: >On August 03, 2005 at 07:45:50, Lars Bremer wrote: > >Hi Lars, > >> It does not matter whether the format is called X-FEN or Shredder-FEN, the real >> problem is that is called "FEN" and "PGN". > >that is why I have tried to find a compromise with SMK, because compatibility >is much mor importat than names or keeping own proposals unchanged. > >> What happens when the user clicks on >>a PGN file? Right, a pgn viewer starts and shows the game list. I use Chessbase >>9 for that purpose. Since I don't open checkers games or reversi games with >>Chessbase I have not the wish to open FRC games with it. If the game file has a >>*.pgn extension, I (and the operating system) cannot decide what is insinde, >>chess games oder frc games. It would be more useful to call it *.pgn and >>*.pgn960, for instance. So I can open chess games with a chess program and frc >>games with a frc program without looking inside the file before. *That* would be >>a real compatible solution in my eyes because there wouldn't be a re-definiton >>of an existing format. It is ridiculous to fill beer in wine bottles. > >You describe a very hypothetic "problem". It is the only non hypothetic part in a very hypothetic discussion imho. > It does not make any sense to design >a FEN for engines and GUIs not supporting Chess960. It makes sense to have a compatible PGN which not irritates old GUIs. The stuff inside can be Y-FEN, Y-FEN, A to Z FEN or whatever, but don't call it pgn if there is no chess inside but frc. > The user of old programs >cannot use a Chess960 PGN anyway. And traditional chess games easily could be >selected by chosing only PGN entries without any FEN Tag included at all. For instance, a friend sends me a game in pgn. He writes "look at that astonishing game, I blundered a queen but was able to hold the draw nevertheless". I open the pgn, Chessbase 9 starts. I try to follow the game, but I can't because it is a FRC game. I close Chessbase, start Smirf or Shredder or Arena, load the game and now, after a lot of effort, I can finally replay the moves. This is not what I would call user friendly. If we would have different extensions the right program would start automaticly. Hypethetic or not? >And >it also would be a good idea to look, which PGN files will be downloaded. Of course, but one month later I find a pgn file in a forgotten folder and forgot also about the format. It is simply not necessary with a different extension. > It is >quite normal, that files of a more powerfull successor program cannot be used >by its ancestors. Just have a look on several MS Word file formats. So you think MS Word is a good example and we should follow Microsofts strategie of incompatibility? ciao Lars
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