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Subject: Re: node explosion

Author: Engin Üstün

Date: 13:40:11 08/22/05

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On August 22, 2005 at 16:26:18, David Dahlem wrote:

>On August 22, 2005 at 16:18:42, Engin Üstün wrote:
>
>>On August 22, 2005 at 15:50:15, David Dahlem wrote:
>>
>>>What is the most likely cause of a huge node explosion at depth 10, with a
>>>branching factor of 24?
>>>
>>>I'm getting 72% move ordering with this order...
>>>
>>>1. Best move in previous ply
>>>2. Winning captures
>>>3. Killer moves
>>>4. Neutral captures
>>>5. Bad captures
>>>6. Rest of the moves
>>>
>>>Thanks for any clues
>>>Dave
>>
>>i think better is at 5. history moves and then 6. Bad captures or losing
>>captures at last.
>>
>>with perft you get the maximal of nodes at depth X, but nobody knows what is the
>>minimal of nodes with all tricks (alpha/beta , null move pruning, order moves,
>>futulity pruning, PVS, Hashtable, internal iterative deeperning...)
>>it is also interest me too how is the minimum of nodes at depth 10.
>
>Not sure if that last sentence is a question or not, but here is what i'm
>getting from the start position:
>
>4 30 72 301 d2d4 d7d5 c1f4
>5 0 72 471 d2d4 d7d5 c1f4 c8f5
>5 2 73 1936 e2e4 e7e5 d2d4
>6 21 78 7397 e2e4 g8f6 e4e5 f6e4 f1c4
>7 0 89 22128 e2e4 d7d5 f1b5 c8d7 b5d7 d8d7 b1c3 e7e6
>8 14 128 71984 e2e4 d7d5 b1c3 g8f6 e4d5 f6d5 f1d3
>8 15 146 94817 d2d4 d7d5 c1f4 c8f5 b1c3 b8c6 g1f3
>9 5 238 206772 d2d4 d7d5 d1d3 e7e6 c1e3 f8d6 d3b5 c7c6 b5a4
>9 6 514 527762 e2e4 d7d5 e4d5 d8d5 b1c3 d5e5 f1e2 c8f5
>10 9 12706 13889956 e2e4 d7d5 b1c3 d5d4 c3d5 c8e6 g1f3 e6d5
>
>Regards
>Dave

hmmmm... about 14 million nodes ? i think it is to much nodes for depth 10

my current Tornado 0.85 beta needs only 526791 nodes for depth 10 !!



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