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Subject: Re: Zappa UCI: You are all a bunch of HYPOCRITES

Author: Peter Skinner

Date: 19:40:30 09/04/05

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On September 04, 2005 at 17:39:28, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>There, I said it.
>
>I can't believe what I'm reading in the "Zappa retail no UCI whine whine"
>thread. 95% of the people posting in that thread are or have always been >happily using Junior, Fritz, Hiarcs, Nimzo and ChessTiger versions which only >run under 1 interface.

Hiarcs is about to come out with an UCI version. Nimzo is dead. Tiger has been
released in another interface, but under a non-UCI format.

Junior and Fritz are the more dominant Chessbase programs. They will never
change.

Personally I don't care whether Zappa is UCI or not. Whatever Anthony decides to
do is his decision.

>>You are really asking all engine authors to BEND OVER for their competitor, so
>THEY have to work around the bugs of ChessBase and, if they are very lucky, >then perhaps be able to play some games without too much handicap (book, >learning) in the competitors GUI.

Who says I can't use the Zappa UCI version under Winboard with Polygot? I don't
_HAVE_ to use Chessbase.

And I prefer using Arena for UCI engines anyways.

>I asked Vincent and he confirmed that his GUI *does* support UCI correctly, so
>you can still play your beloved UCI engines against Zappa *in it's own GUI*.

Terrific. That is excellent news.

>What, not happy because you can't test Fritz against Zappa easily? Well, tough
>luck. Why did you buy Fritz or Junior anyway as it has NEVER supported playing
>in anything else than it's native interface? And now you are complaining about
>Zappa? Can you spell "HYPOCRITE"?

I think that is going way over the edge. People have the right to voice an
opinion over what they would like to see from a new program in the commercial
market.

They can even choose not to purchase it when it does not have the features that
they would like to see. That is their right. A consumer choice is just that.. a
choice.


>At least this way we can perhaps get some INNOVATION and NEW FEATURES inside a
>GUI. I have been here long enough that I remember the time when there was >really competition in that area, and a new release brought something special, >something new in terms of features.

Again.. terrific. I would love to see a new GUI that has some innovative
features.

>UCI: go buy Fritz 9 and enoy your HUMAN-OPTIMIZED ALL NEW IMPROVED MORE
>KNOWLEDGE INTENSIVE CRASHES ONLY EVERY 5 MINUTES CHESSPROGRAM THAT DOESNT
>SUPPORT UCI ANYWAY!

I won't be purchasing Fritz 9. I won't buy the propaganda coming from Chessbase.

>Meanwhile, sane people can enjoy a game against the WORLD CHAMPION in a new GUI
>that I am very curious to see.

Surely you mean people who made a consumer choice to purchase Zappa in the new
GUI will be enjoying it. They need not be sane either..

I find your post rather disgusting to say the least. You being a commercial
author should know that people make choices based on features and options. I am
sure you do the same when buying a car, a home, your groceries... why not a
chess program?

If it does not have the options or features you would like to see you take a
pass on it. It is a consumer market like it or not.

Peter



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