Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 18:17:47 09/06/05
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On September 06, 2005 at 11:09:40, Christos Gitsis wrote: >On September 06, 2005 at 10:44:52, Marc Lacrosse wrote: > >>On September 06, 2005 at 05:57:25, Shaley wrote: >> >>>On September 06, 2005 at 05:30:20, Matthias Gemuh wrote: >> >>>>>In my opinion, there're only two best programmes to date: >>>>>Shredder and Hiarcs. >> >>>>IMHO, Fruit also belongs to this special category. >>>> >>>>Best regards, >>>>Matthias. >>> >>>Well, may be Fruit WCCC is not that bad. However, the public version 2.1 seems a >>>little inferior to Shredder or Hiarcs. >> >>(...) >> >>Inferior to Shredder 9 undoubtedly, by more or less 35 elo points. >>But were did you see that hiarcs 9 is superior to Fruit 2.1 ? >> >>In the CEGT tests at 40/40, there were 134 direct games between F21 and Hiarc9. >>F21 won 63.8% (+61 =49 -24)and Fruit is estimated 45 points higher than hiarcs >>with more than 95% statistical comfidence after thousands of games. >> >>See http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/rangliste.html#3 >> >>Regards >> >>Marc > >He was probably talking about the new Hiarcs which has not been released yet. >It won a 10 game match against Zappa 2.0 in ICC recently with a score of 6-4. A ten game match is almost irrelevant, statistically. Of course, so is a WCCC outcome. An SSDF rating is a far, far better measure of strength if that is what is intended to be measured. From: http://web.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/rlwww052.txt We have this: 1 Shredder 9.0 UCI 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2821 28 -27 704 67% 2697 [snip] 4 Junior 9.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2789 27 -26 745 67% 2666 5 Deep Fritz 8.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2783 24 -23 942 70% 2633 [snip] 11 Gandalf 6.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2742 26 -26 725 60% 2673 [snip] 13 Hiarcs 9.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2736 22 -21 1068 62% 2653 14 Pro Deo 1.1 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2723 29 -28 617 64% 2622 It appears that Hiarcs 9 is about the same strength as the free Pro Deo 1.1 Which is not to say that it is not a wonderful program. If there were a UCI or Winboard version of Hiarcs 9, I would definitely buy it. I guess that Hiarcs 9 is at least 100 Elo below the WCCC version of Fruit.
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