Author: Sune Larsson
Date: 11:16:01 11/28/05
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On November 28, 2005 at 13:01:57, Sherry Windsor wrote: >On November 28, 2005 at 10:33:42, Sune Larsson wrote: > >>On November 28, 2005 at 10:17:22, Albert Silver wrote: >> >>>On November 28, 2005 at 09:22:54, Sune Larsson wrote: >>> >>>>On November 28, 2005 at 09:01:53, Steve B wrote: >>>> >>>>>>if you're looking for someone to hang, you've got the wrong guy. There's room >>>>>>for everyone, and I'm certainly no saint either. Peace. >>>>> >>>>>and it should be noted that you are one of the strongest rated Fide members here >>>>>to grace these pages >>>>> >>>>>http://www.fide.com/ratings/card.phtml?event=2102250 >>>>> >>>>>and i bet very few here even know that due largely in part to your modesty >>>>>i imagine that if other's were that strong ,somehow,someway,they would manage >>>>>to mention it on every other post >>>>> >>>>>totally different from this Spleen character..oops.. i meant... Steen >>>> >>>> >>>> That's right - A. Spleen called himself a patzer in chess. But why this >>>> making fun of names? >>> >>>I agree one shouldn't, but as to why he brought those flames on himself, it no >>>doubt is his fault due to the quite cocky comments he made in his posts, such >>>as: >>> >>>---------------------------------- >>>"more RAM than you would imagine" >>> >>>"Fruit 2.2.x is the easiest top engine to beat for a few years. >>> >>>Against F9, S9, my score (playing them under strictest conditions) is poorer >>>than 50%, but I am working these upwards. >>> >>>But against Fruit 2.2.x (trial version), my score is now almost 80%, which is >>>crushing. >>> >>>And I never use the non-chessic methods shown in your loss above. >>> >>>I win by squeezing it hard and not letting go and without allowing counterplay >>>(as best I can). This technique does not work at all reliably against F9 and S9 >>>because (as a "patzer", of course!) I am not perfect at squeezing hard without >>>letting go and banning counterplay." >>>---------------------------------- >>> >>>Since I'm sure IMs and GMs aren't trying to beat the engines in a tactical >>>slugfest, the last paragraph quoted above suggests he plays more competently >>>than they, and at 3min blitz no less. >>> >>>BTW, I looked for the posts where he supposedly repeatedly calls himself a >>>patzer, and couldn't find it. At best he says "we are all patzers" at one point. >>>I may have missed it though, as I don't feel like reading every single one of >>>this guy's stuff. >>> >>>As to more inflammable material, suggesting he does NOT regard himself a patzer: >>> >>>---------------------------------- >>>"the game is certainly no showcase for my abilities. So I cannot be again >>>accused by the trolls of boasting or whatever." >>> >>>(the quote may seem odd due to the disclaimer, but talking about one's >>>'abilities' is not an exercise in humility) >>> >>>"Below is the whole game, but please scroll down for some light illustrated >>>commentary, aimed at the 1500-rated player. As every one of my chessic >>>_critics_ on this board have demonstrated no more understanding than that of a >>>1500-player (if anything, I am being a little too generous here)" >>>----------------------------------- >>> >>>In fact, the fellow is anything but humble. Just commenting. >>> >>> Albert >> >> >> Humble or not - I had no problems with his language or attitude. In fact I >> smiled a bit when reading his posts. Furthermore I think he had some >> interesting points that seem to have vanished in the flames. F.e. the one >> about Fruit being more "friendly" or "passive" in games vs humans >> [i.e. Mr Steen] - than Fritz/Shredder (I think he mentioned those) - thus >> causing humans [i.e. Mr Steen] less problems in the games. It just might be >> worth investigating. Don't recall having seen so many serious games Fruit/Toga >> vs humans though. >> >> /S > > > Great!, so as long as he supports your point of view he can be as arrogant, >pompous, rude and insulting as he wishes ? Support my point - what are you talking about? The opinion about Fruit was totally new to me - and I think it's worth investigating - that's all. It's possible for an engine to do better vs engines than humans - and vice versa. /S
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