Author: Uri Blass
Date: 16:08:09 11/29/05
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On November 29, 2005 at 18:29:06, stuart taylor wrote:
>I would be interested to know what peoples results are when playing one of the
>top programs (or even a bit lower than that), and removing the computers queen
>before the first move.
>NOT setting the computer to a lower level, but keeping it at its best, and just
>denying it its queen.
>
>Would anyone care to admit that they STILL lose almost every game even if they
>are rated 2000+?
>
>I'm not saying this SHOULD happen, but I think it is much harder than one would
>think, to beat the computer just because it is a queen down (from starting
>position).
>Anyone who hasn't tried, will probably think it would be a pushover if you just
>removed one rook or even one knight.
>But you might be in for a shock!
>Try to see what happens even if you remove the computers queen!
>Any results please?
>S.Taylor
I can do it easily
I give 2 blitz games(5 minute per player) with evaluations when I beated Fruit
and Shredder with queen odd.
Note that I did not look at the evaluation of the computer during the game and
it was my first try.
I think that chess programs are not the best players to play with queen odd at
blitz because they do not try to create complications and play the move that is
objectively the best and GM may perform better against weak players with queen
odd but I expect myself to beat everybody with queen odd in blitz inspite of the
fact that I do not consider myself to be a strong blitz player.
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.11.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq -"]
1. Nf3 {-10.13/14 9s} Nf6 {1s} 2. d4 {-10.07/13 7s} d5 {0s}
3. e3 {-10.13/13 13s} Bg4 {1s} 4. Nc3 {-10.05/12 6s} Bxf3
{2s} 5. gxf3 {-10.05/12 3s} e6 {2s} 6. Rg1 {-10.06/12 5s}
g6 {4s} 7. Bd2 {-9.99/13 7s} c5 {3s} 8. dxc5 {-9.99/13 6s}
Bxc5 {1s} 9. O-O-O {-10.14/13 7s} Nc6 {2s} 10. Kb1
{-10.09/12 7s} O-O {3s} 11. Be2 {-10.20/11 7s} a6 {13s}
12. f4 {-10.24/12 8s} Qe7 {22s} 13. Bf3 {-10.22/11 5s} Bb4
{11s} 14. a3 {-10.07/12 12s} Bxc3 {3s} 15. Bxc3 {-10.59/11
1s} Ne4 {3s} 16. Bxe4 {-10.67/13 6s} dxe4 {0s} 17. Rg3
{-10.91/13 8s} Rfd8 {5s} 18. Rh1 {-10.91/13 5s} Rd7 {6s}
19. h4 {-10.96/13 4s} Rad8 {2s} 20. Rgg1 {-11.01/14 5s} e5
{6s} 21. h5 {-11.20/13 7s} exf4 {6s} 22. hxg6 {-11.74/12
8s} fxg6 {4s} 23. Rf1 {-11.95/13 10s} f3 {16s} 24. Rfg1
{-11.68/12 3s} Ne5 {5s} 25. Bd4 {-11.65/13 4s} Rxd4 {6s}
26. exd4 {-13.68/12 5s} Rxd4 {1s} 27. Re1 {-13.68/13 4s}
Ng4 {3s} 28. Ref1 {-15.09/14 11s} Rd2 {3s} 29. Kc1
{-15.09/13 3s} Rxf2 {2s} 30. Rxf2 {-25.59/14 46s} Nxf2 {0s}
31. Re1 {-32.03/14 24s} e3 {3s} 32. Rg1 {-M9/11 6s} Qd6
{11s} 33. Kb1 {-28.45/11 9s} e2 {2s} 34. Ka2 {-M8/10 2s}
Qd2 {3s} 35. Kb3 {-33.89/10 3s} e1=Q {1s} 36. Rxe1
{-25.75/7 1s} Qxe1 {0s} 37. a4 {-25.75/7 0s} Qd2 {3s}
38. Kc4 {-M7/8 1s} Qxc2+ {0s} 39. Kd5 {-26.41/5 0s} Qxb2
{1s} 40. a5 {-26.66/5 0s} Qb5+ {1s} 41. Kd6 {-M5/8 0s} h5
{2s} 42. Kc7 {-28.16/5 0s} h4 {2s} 43. Kd8 {-25.32/3 0s} h3
{2s} 44. Kc8 {-27.81/3 0s} h2 {1s} 45. Kc7 {-27.59/1 0s}
h1=Q {4s} 46. Kb8 {-M3/5 0s} Qh2+ {3s} 47. Ka7 {-M3/4 0s}
Kf7 {4s} 48. Ka8 {-28.49/1 0s} Ke7 {1s} 49. Ka7 {-28.22/1
0s} Kd7 {6s} 50. Ka8 {-28.45/1 0s} Qc6 {3s} 51. Ka7
{-28.14/1 0s} Qcc7 {11s} 52. Ka8 {-M1/1 0s} Qh8+ {1s}
53. Ka7 {-M1/1 0s} Qhb8# {1s} *
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.11.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq -"]
1. Nf3 {-11.32/14 6s} Nf6 {2s} 2. e3 {-11.31/15 9s} d5 {2s}
3. d4 {-11.26/15 17s} Bf5 {5s} 4. c3 {-11.44/14 11s} Bxb1
{2s} 5. Rxb1 {-10.96/14 2s} e6 {1s} 6. Bd3 {-10.94/14 9s}
c5 {1s} 7. O-O {-11.03/14 9s} Nc6 {5s} 8. dxc5 {-11.09/12
12s} Bxc5 {1s} 9. b3 {-11.18/13 6s} O-O {4s} 10. Bb2
{-11.13/13 6s} Ne4 {6s} 11. b4 {-11.18/12 18s} Bd6 {8s}
12. a3 {-11.66/14 16s} Ne5 {7s} 13. Nxe5 {-11.70/14 5s}
Bxe5 {0s} 14. c4 {-11.60/15 6s} Bxb2 {7s} 15. Rxb2
{-11.26/13 1s} Qf6 {2s} 16. Rc2 {-11.21/12 1s} Nd6 {12s}
17. c5 {-11.28/14 14s} Ne4 {10s} 18. a4 {-11.15/13 11s}
Rac8 {7s} 19. a5 {-10.88/14 5s} Rc7 {9s} 20. Rb1 {-11.04/12
8s} a6 {9s} 21. Rf1 {-11.28/13 10s} Rfc8 {3s} 22. Bxe4
{-11.28/14 5s} dxe4 {1s} 23. Rc4 {-11.90/15 3s} Qf5 {8s}
24. Rd1 {-11.72/16 13s} Qe5 {1s} 25. Rcd4 {-10.48/16 2s} f5
{6s} 26. Re1 {-12.53/15 39s} f4 {5s} 27. Rdd1 {-12.47/12
1s} fxe3 {2s} 28. fxe3 {-13.45/15 9s} Rf7 {14s} 29. Re2
{-13.44/11 0s} Rcf8 {4s} 30. Rb1 {-13.65/13 1s} Qc3 {4s}
31. h4 {-14.38/11 1s} Qd3 {4s} 32. Rbe1 {-23.52/14 11s} Qb3
{8s} 33. c6 {-14.96/11 0s} bxc6 {4s} 34. Rc1 {-15.69/10 0s}
Qxb4 {7s} 35. Ra1 {-15.85/11 1s} c5 {6s} 36. Rd1 {-17.29/13
4s} Qxa5 {3s} 37. Rb1 {-17.29/9 0s} c4 {2s} 38. g3
{-18.01/10 0s} c3 {2s} 39. Rc1 {-18.29/10 0s} Rc7 {6s}
40. Kh2 {-17.54/10 0s} Rd8 {7s} 41. Rg2 {-26.05/14 4s} Rd2
{2s} 42. Rcg1 {-26.05/10 0s} Rxg2+ {1s} 43. Rxg2 {-M9/12
2s} c2 {0s} 44. Rf2 {-M8/12 1s} c1=Q {2s} 45. Kg2 {-M150/8
0s} Qae1 {4s} 46. Rb2 {-M150/3 0s} Qxb2+ {2s} 47. Kh3
{-M2/6 0s} Qxe3 {3s} 48. h5 {-M2/6 0s} Qbf2 {2s} 49. Kg4
{-M1/5 0s} Qexg3# {1s} *
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