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Subject: Re: one example for the best program in the world (diagram)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 13:59:55 12/05/05

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On December 05, 2005 at 15:54:46, Uri Blass wrote:

>On December 05, 2005 at 15:16:58, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On December 05, 2005 at 15:09:38, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>>
>>>On December 05, 2005 at 14:53:02, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>r1b1kn1r/2q2pb1/p1p3p1/2P1p2n/Pp2P2p/2N1BP2/1P1QBNPP/R4RK1 w kq - 0 17
>>>>>
>>>>>no program in the world found the killer 17. Nc3-d5 !! since the release of
>>>>>Rybka.
>>>>>
>>>>>  12	00:21	   1.909.618	95.480	-0,04	Sd5 cd5: ed5: h3 g3 Sf6 c6 S8h7 Tac1 Dd6
>>>>>  13	00:46	   3.574.942	81.248	-0,02	Sd5 cd5: ed5: h3 g3 Sf6 a5 S8h7 d6 Db7
>>>>
>>>>There is only one problem with that analysis
>>>>
>>>>My Rybka with 512 mbytes hash does not find it
>>>>
>>>>1.Na2 a5 2.Rad1 Nf4 3.Bc4 Be6 4.Qc2 Bxc4 5.Qxc4 N8e6
>>>>  =  (-0.05)   Depth: 17   00:08:56  39676kN
>>>>
>>>
>>>So along with "mine" we have 3 different results:
>>>"Mine" finds it at ply 14 in 2 minutes and 12 seconds in my AMD 3500+ with 256
>>>MB hash.
>>>"Uri's" doesn't find it after 9 minutes up to ply 17.
>>>Thomas version finds it in 21 seconds at ply 12!
>>>
>>>Great! What a confusion.........
>>
>>I can add that I analyze it again and I get deterministic result in nodes and pv
>>so Rybka is clearly deterministic and it seems that the problem is that other
>>people used different hash or game or made Rybka learn
>>
>>  =  (-0.05)   Depth: 17   00:08:36  39676kN
>>1.Na2 a5 2.Rad1 Nf4 3.Bc4 Be6 4.Qc2 Bxc4 5.Qxc4 N8e6
>>  =  (-0.05)   Depth: 18   00:17:57  76054kN
>>
>>(,  05.12.2005)
>
>It seems that Rybka 32 bits needs more than an hour to find Nd5
>
>After more than an hour of search it is now at depth 19 but considers Nd5 in the
>last 20 minutes after the score for Na2 went down to -0.13
>
>Uri

It needs 2 hours to find it on A3000

64 bit on faster hardware may need 1 hour

Here is the full analysis
New game,
[D]r1b1kn1r/2q2pb1/p1p3p1/2P1p2n/Pp2P2p/2N1BP2/1P1QBNPP/R4RK1 w kq - 0 1

Analysis by Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit:

1.Na2
  ²  (0.29)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1.Na2
  =  (0.24)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1.Na2 Ne6
  ²  (0.28)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
1.Na2 Ne6 2.Nxb4
  =  (0.24)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  8kN
1.Na2 a5 2.Qd6 Ne6
  =  (0.20)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  19kN
1.Na2 a5 2.Qd6 Ne6 3.Ng4
  =  (0.11)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  37kN
1.Na2 a5 2.Qd6 Ne6 3.Bc4 Nhf4
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 9   00:00:01  79kN
1.Na2 a5 2.Qd6 Ne6 3.Bc4 Nhf4 4.Nd3
  =  (0.12)   Depth: 10   00:00:01  132kN
1.Na2 a5 2.Qd6 Ne6 3.Bc4 Nhf4 4.Rad1 Ba6
  =  (0.20)   Depth: 11   00:00:04  309kN
1.Na2 a5 2.Qd6 Ne6 3.Bc4 Ba6 4.Bxa6 Rxa6 5.Qxc7 Nxc7
  =  (0.09)   Depth: 12   00:00:07  596kN
1.Na2 a5 2.Qd6 Ne6 3.Bc4 Ba6 4.Bxa6 Rxa6 5.Qxc7 Nxc7
  =  (0.07)   Depth: 13   00:00:16  1299kN
1.Na2 a5 2.Rad1 Ne6 3.Qd6 Qxd6 4.Rxd6 Nhf4 5.Bc4 Ba6
  =  (-0.09)   Depth: 14   00:00:49  3947kN
1.Na2 a5 2.Rfd1 Ne6 3.Qd6 Qxd6 4.Rxd6 Nhf4 5.Bc4 h3
  =  (0.04)   Depth: 15   00:02:44  12367kN
1.Na2 a5 2.Rfd1 Ne6 3.Qd6 Qxd6 4.Rxd6 Nhf4 5.Bc4 h3
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 16   00:03:46  17461kN
1.Na2 a5 2.Rad1 Nf4 3.Bc4 Be6 4.Qc2 Bxc4 5.Qxc4 N8e6
  =  (-0.05)   Depth: 17   00:08:36  39676kN
1.Na2 a5 2.Rad1 Nf4 3.Bc4 Be6 4.Qc2 Bxc4 5.Qxc4 N8e6
  =  (-0.05)   Depth: 18   00:17:57  76054kN
1.Na2 a5 2.Bc4 Nf4 3.Nc1 h3 4.g3 Ng2 5.Ncd3 Nxe3
  =  (-0.13)   Depth: 19   00:40:10  181603kN
1.Nd5 cxd5 2.exd5 h3 3.g3 Nd7 4.Rac1 Ndf6 5.Rfd1 0-0
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 19   02:03:35  441900kN

(,  06.12.2005)




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