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Subject: Re: A plea to all computer chess enthusiasts (short)

Author: Ryan B.

Date: 16:41:09 02/10/06

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On February 10, 2006 at 08:17:34, Steve Maughan wrote:

>Uri,
>
>A classic 'Uri' post on your part :-)
>
>>We do not know if the evaluation of rybka is more complex than fruit's
>>evaluation so I disagree that rybka pulls us in the other direction.
>
>Of course we don't - we don't have access to the source.  But looking at it's
>play it certainly seems to have a sophisticated evaluation function.  I would
>say that my original statement is in line with perceived wisdom.
>


I am 100% confident that Rybka's eval is small, well tuned, and mobility based.
The perceived knowledge is due to not having bad or incorrect chess knowledge
and out searching its opponents.


>>I also do not consider the evaluation of fruit to be a simple evaluation
>>function.
>
>Fruit 1.0 and 1.5 didn't have particularly sophisticated evaluation function
>(piece square and basic mobility [1.5]), yet they were both able to play at the
>same level as Crafty.  For me the early version of Fruit were much more
>influential since they could play such good chess with a relatively simple
>evaluation function.  So adding knowledge is clearly going to improve the
>strength dramatically - and that's what happened.
>
>>There are a lot of chess programs with more simple evaluation than fruit.
>
>Sure - TSCP for example.  But you cannot name one program that has a simpler
>evaluation function than Fruit 1.0 and plays a stronger game.
>
>Regards,
>
>Steve



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