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Subject: Re: TSCP enhancements [Re: Short chess programs]

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:59:14 09/20/02

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On September 20, 2002 at 00:30:39, Keith Evans wrote:

>On September 19, 2002 at 22:19:14, Keith Evans wrote:
>
>>On September 19, 2002 at 21:01:37, Ian Osgood wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm still trying to keep memory usage small
>>>> in the hope to port this someday to the F25
>>>> asynchronous Forth multiprocessor
>>>> [2 ps per instruction, 25 CPUs per die]. )
>>>
>>>Actually, the chip is called the 25x, and has 0.3ns per instruction, 1ns memory
>>>access, 2400 MIPS peak.
>>>
>>>Ian
>>
>>1 ns memory access to what memory? A very small on-chip memory? What performance
>>will you get to off-chip memory? How much off-chip memory is supported? What
>>types of off-chip memory are supported?
>>
>>Also how deep are the stacks on the 25x? What happens when you fill them up?
>>
>>(As far as I know there are no plans to actually build the 25x.)
>>
>>Keith
>
>As far as I could tell from google:
>
>Neither the x25, or the X18 has actually been built. (I personally doubt that
>they ever will be built. It would be interesting to hear what happened at iTv.)
>
>The X18 was quoted to have:
>
>2 16-deep push-down stacks
>128 words ROM, 384 DRAM
>256K words of external memory with 4 ns (250 MHz) access - cache memory chip
>


Some of that doesn't make sense.  IE there is _no_ way to read from DRAM in
4 nanoseconds.  Yes the memory bus can run that fast.  New intel machines
are running the bus at > 500mhz, but that does not translate into 2 ns
accesses.  It translates into _many_ cycles of waiting to get the data...





>All off-chip accesses appear to be done via software bit banging



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