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Subject: Re: TSCP enhancements [Re: Short chess programs]

Author: Keith Evans

Date: 16:00:25 09/20/02

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On September 20, 2002 at 16:59:14, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 20, 2002 at 00:30:39, Keith Evans wrote:
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>>On September 19, 2002 at 22:19:14, Keith Evans wrote:
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>>>On September 19, 2002 at 21:01:37, Ian Osgood wrote:
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>>>>> I'm still trying to keep memory usage small
>>>>> in the hope to port this someday to the F25
>>>>> asynchronous Forth multiprocessor
>>>>> [2 ps per instruction, 25 CPUs per die]. )
>>>>
>>>>Actually, the chip is called the 25x, and has 0.3ns per instruction, 1ns memory
>>>>access, 2400 MIPS peak.
>>>>
>>>>Ian
>>>
>>>1 ns memory access to what memory? A very small on-chip memory? What performance
>>>will you get to off-chip memory? How much off-chip memory is supported? What
>>>types of off-chip memory are supported?
>>>
>>>Also how deep are the stacks on the 25x? What happens when you fill them up?
>>>
>>>(As far as I know there are no plans to actually build the 25x.)
>>>
>>>Keith
>>
>>As far as I could tell from google:
>>
>>Neither the x25, or the X18 has actually been built. (I personally doubt that
>>they ever will be built. It would be interesting to hear what happened at iTv.)
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>>The X18 was quoted to have:
>>
>>2 16-deep push-down stacks
>>128 words ROM, 384 DRAM
>>256K words of external memory with 4 ns (250 MHz) access - cache memory chip
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>Some of that doesn't make sense.  IE there is _no_ way to read from DRAM in
>4 nanoseconds.  Yes the memory bus can run that fast.  New intel machines
>are running the bus at > 500mhz, but that does not translate into 2 ns
>accesses.  It translates into _many_ cycles of waiting to get the data...

I believe that it was referring to some type of SRAM chip. I'm skeptical too -
those guys make a lot of wild claims. (I don't want to start ranting about that
here. Don't get me started on OKAD...)

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>>All off-chip accesses appear to be done via software bit banging



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