Author: Peter Herttrich
Date: 02:13:58 09/18/98
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On September 17, 1998 at 17:42:58, Dirk Frickenschmidt wrote: >On September 17, 1998 at 16:51:18, Thorsten Czub wrote: > >>"interesting" is IMO that you feel the need to quote this here, even to >>translate this rubbish interview stuff here. >> >>there is NO excuse for the nunn-test. > >First funny remark. >For what in heaven should the Nunn-test be excused at all??? > >Could you please hint to any even remotely debatable *content* for claiming >this? > >Any chess judgement on the Nunn positions? > >Any anything? > >Or do you just think the fact that Frederic Friedel knows John Nunn since many >years is any kind of argument by itself??? >At least in conncection with your personal suspicion??? > >>the nunn test was, so says css itself, done by nunn for css. >>he has done it specially for his friend frederic. > >If I understood it roight Frederic Friedel then wanted a test with a >representative set of opening positions for testgames, without book and cooking >effects. > >I want that too. >The Nunn test was John Nunn's proposal for doing this. >There may be other proposals. >The Nunn test may be imbalanced. If anyone proves it to be so. > >So what??? >Does your suspicion imply *anything* substancial??? > >>frederic is owner of chessBase. > >Since when this????? > >Did I miss him buying it? When did he do so? > >You probably can explain this claim to us? > >Or should you perhaps check your sources before quickly selling your darkest >nightmares as reality? ;-) > >>it is the same when the owner of malboro asks a special cancer-doctor to write >>an article about smoking not beeing dangerous. > >Frederic Friedel did not ask John Nunn to buy Chessbase for him, >and then write that he (John Nunn) doesn't think it is dangerous to use it :-) > >Though some Mr. Czub may still think it is extremely dangerous... :-)) > >>you now quote anywhere that smoking is not dangerous because john nunn has said >>this. > >Has he? I didn't even know he was smoking... ;-) > >Anything in one cooking pot? >Reality, questionable comparisons and funny metaphors, >all suddenly turning back into some new kind of expected reality? > >No matter if it fits, as long as you can cook it in one pot? > >>and frederic paid for this... brilliant. > >Did he? >You probably have a copy of the bill? > >Or are you just misjudging reality from allegation phantasies again? > >I'm thankful for any kind of clarification of all the more than questionable >points in one short post. > > >Regards >from Dirk Hello you fighters :-) I would like to put some oil onto the waves. I also followed the articles in css and came to the conclusion, that the dependence Nunn/Fritz/cheating/Friedl/aso is pure speculation. G. Mueller said a right thing: The Test only tests himself. I also invested some time with this test and build with my rock-base a very huge book for crafty, which is normally not for playing. Then I followed the first three tests move for move with this book. I had to notice with growing movenumbers a very rare statistic for the moves. So I saw, that the possibility, to reach this Nunn-position is statistically nearly zero! No Chessprogramm with a good book would reach such a position and had a chance to show it's ability, to handle it. The Nunn-test has nothing to do with practically real played chess. So I call it worthless. I make a difference between theoretical chess (openings and positions) and practical chess (openings and positions). Nothing against experiments ore new ideas in the middlegame. I hope, my point comes over. My english int't very good to explain this. I have another idea, to check, how chess-programs play without influence of openings. How abt: Let the programs play the first 8 moves from the book and then switch off the books. Perhaps we can say 10 moves. This is a thing, what is to try. Another possibility is, to set up known themes (french, sizilian, or wahtever) till move 8 ore 10 as a position and let play the silicons without book. Only my two cents. Peter
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