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Subject: Re: Shredder wins in Graz after controversy

Author: Ulrich Tuerke

Date: 12:18:11 12/09/03

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On December 09, 2003 at 14:57:50, Omid David Tabibi wrote:

>On December 09, 2003 at 10:51:46, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>
>>On December 09, 2003 at 10:34:40, Steffen Jakob wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Uli!
>>>
>>>On December 09, 2003 at 10:27:19, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 09, 2003 at 10:16:30, José Carlos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 09, 2003 at 10:09:33, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 09, 2003 at 10:05:05, K. Burcham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>GCP, are you saying that the program Jonny, and the operator of Jonny did not
>>>>>>>know about the repetition until informed by Mr. Z?
>>>>>>>are you saying that the program Jonny also could not detect the position had
>>>>>>>been played for the third time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mr Zwanzer = Jonny programmer = Jonny operator
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jonny did not know that a 3 fold repetition is a draw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>GCP
>>>>>
>>>>>  The software playing under the name Jonny did know. If what the GUI says is
>>>>>ignored then don't let Jonny play under that GUI. Don't keep repeating that
>>>>>nonsense about the engine vs the GUI. One player, one playing unit, that's it.
>>>>
>>>>I think that combining a private engine with a commercial GUI on occasions like
>>>>this is very debatable.
>>>>It was a big case that one of the programs was suspected to use source code of
>>>>another one. Why should use of foreign code in binary form be acceptable ?
>>>
>>>Although I usually work with xbard under Linux I also used the Fritz GUI in
>>>Graz. The reason was that xboard does not support the time control which was
>>>used in Graz (remaining time 30 minutes). Of course one could do it with
>>>xboard/winboard by overruling the commands from the GUI (actually Thomas Mayer
>>>did it). But on the other hand I don´t think that using the Fritz GUI gave me an
>>>advantage (I didnt use book learning e.g. and disabled the tablebase usage of
>>>the GUI). If you say that it should forbidden to use foreign code in binary form
>>>like this, then why do you only mention commercial GUIs? Why would you allow
>>>e.g. winboard?
>>
>>I wouldn't allow it.
>>On tourneys, I like to use my own simple text GUI, supporting operator time,
>>clock adjustment, producing a loud noise to wake you up after moving, ...
>>
>>However, on ipcc in Paderborn for instance, the organizers like to publish the
>>games online in web. This is more comfortably done using the Fritz GUI, which
>>can be configured to update a pgn file after each move. But I guess that the
>>athmosphere on ipcc is far more relaxed than on wmcc ?
>>
>
>I can't speak for paderborn, but in Graz the atmosphere was very relaxed and
>enjoyable (unlike the impression reading the forum here would make).

In fact, I have heard the same. It seems to have been a very enjoyable tourney.
I should rather have spoken about the rules which are less strictly handled in
Paderborn. In case you and your opponent agree that the game is decided, then it
will not be continued. You'll rather have a coffe and a chat in the cafeteria.

Uli

>
>
>>
>>
>>Uli
>>
>>>
>>>Greetings,
>>>Steffen.



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