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Subject: Re: What's wrong with Shredder?

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 04:31:32 02/19/99

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>Posted by Harald Faber on February 19, 1999 at 05:51:34:

>>What's wrong with Shredder?
>>
>>Any input would be nice and really welcome. Does it play weak chess? (Did you
>>really play games or just run some tests?) Do you want it to solve test
>>positions or play games? Do you rather have a blitz monster that plays
>strong at
>>3min/game on a Pentium 100 or do you rather have something for longer
>>timecontrols and analysis? Do you hate the GUI? What's missing?
>>
>>I would really love to get some feedback.
>>
>>Stefan (author of Shredder)
>
>OK, just my 2 cents what misses or does not satisfy:

>1) the prize :-)
>   Maybe I am known for critics in that direction but I can't see to justify
>double prize as Fritz/Junior/Nimzo99 and Rebel. Probably they are even
>stronger and offer many needful features.
>   I know that you are not the only one trying to keep the prize high but
>considering the above named competitors it is hard to argue in favour of
>Shredder.
>   For me the only superior property i Shredder is the GUI. It is the best
>   Windows-GUI (I know that MCS has come close).

>2) no flexible time per move
>   I couldn't and can't believe it: there is only a fixed time per move, no
> flexible.

>3) strength
>   We can discuss if I will ever beat Shredder1-3 but one always wants the
>best program to get the best analysis (e.g.)
>   Shredder has/had some highlights of course, but all in all I think it is a
>bit behind. Maybe Sherdder can compete with other programs, I don't know, but
>   at the moment I am running a match against Hiarcs7 which doesn't look well
>although Shredder has a speed advantage of 50%. So far:
>   Hiarcs7: 11.0, Shredder3: 7.0
>   (Shredder on K6-200/24+8MB hash, Hiarcs7 on MMX166/47MB hash,
>40/120+rest/60)

IMO Shredder is the most under-rated chess program I know off. I don't
understand its low rating on SSDF. Keep in mind Shredder 2 won the
CCL competition. Also Shredder is a true W95/98/NT application. I really
don't understand why it gets so less attention. It's a great program.

Ed Schroder



>What really pleases is, as I mentioned above, the real true Windows GUI and
>the autoplayer within Shredder. Exemplary!
>BTW is it a bug that I can't load the next/previous game via the
>button/icon? It
>worked well in Shredder2 but now I have to load the games again with CTRL-L
>although I don't need to select a database, directly I get the game list.
>
>And, finally, I hope it didn't disturb you too much to lose against P.ConNers
>while I said in the middlegame that black had the better position. Maybe I was
>wrong. :-) Or Shredder patzte. ;-)



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