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Subject: Re: What's wrong with Shredder?

Author: Harald Faber

Date: 05:58:30 02/19/99

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On February 19, 1999 at 06:48:28, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:

>>3) strength
>>   We can discuss if I will ever beat Shredder1-3 but one always wants the best
>>   program to get the best analysis (e.g.)
>>   Shredder has/had some highlights of course, but all in all I think it is a
>>bit behind. Maybe Sherdder can compete with other programs, I don't know, but
>>   at the moment I am running a match against Hiarcs7 which doesn't look well
>>although Shredder has a speed advantage of 50%. So far:
>>   Hiarcs7: 11.0, Shredder3: 7.0
>>   (Shredder on K6-200/24+8MB hash, Hiarcs7 on MMX166/47MB hash, 40/120+rest/60)
>>
>
>Harald, I think that this is just wrong. Look for instance at Enrique's
>tournament where Shredder-3 competed very well with the current top programs.

Never denied it. He finished in the middle.

>Your result 11:7 is not statistically significant.  At best you can conclude
>that none of both programs is without chance against the other one.

I didn't say that. I wrote: "I think it is a bit behind."
Nothing wrong with that and fits with Enriques tourney!
And I won't conclude ANYTHING out of this 11-7 because I also saw Hiarcs7-WChess
12-8 and with switched colours there was WChess-Hiarcs 12-8.
Anyway I admit I expected some better results for Shredder3 although these are
only 18 games. I thought 50% speed advantage would have a bigger effect.

>May be, we have to wait for SSDF, but I expect that Shredder-3 will rank among
>the Top-8.
>Uli

We'll see. Maybe my match will be finished before some games are played by SSDF
but I will, at least for myself, conclude SOMETHING from this 40-game-match.
40 games isn't the world but it INDICATES.

However we have drifted away from the topic...

And, finally, I only gave MY PERSONAL opinion.




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