Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
Date: 02:50:56 02/20/99
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On February 19, 1999 at 05:51:34, Harald Faber wrote: >On February 19, 1999 at 04:48:53, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: > >>OK, I don't want to complain too much and keep on working to improve Shredder, >>so here's my question: >> >>What's wrong with Shredder? >> >>Any input would be nice and really welcome. Does it play weak chess? (Did you >>really play games or just run some tests?) Do you want it to solve test >>positions or play games? Do you rather have a blitz monster that plays strong at >>3min/game on a Pentium 100 or do you rather have something for longer >>timecontrols and analysis? Do you hate the GUI? What's missing? >> >>I would really love to get some feedback. >> >>Stefan (author of Shredder) > >OK, just my 2 cents what misses or does not satisfy: > >1) the prize :-) > Maybe I am known for critics in that direction but I can't see to justify >double prize as Fritz/Junior/Nimzo99 and Rebel. Probably they are even >stronger and offer many needful features. > I know that you are not the only one trying to keep the prize high but >considering the above named competitors it is hard to argue in favour of >Shredder. > For me the only superior property i Shredder is the GUI. It is the best > Windows-GUI (I know that MCS has come close). I agree that it is nicer for customers to buy a product for half price only, but I also think that the current price of Shredder is well justified. Maybe we should wait and see until and Fritz6 and Rebel for Windows is released to check weather they are still being sold at their current price. You can also get a Shredder for half price. There is a "Mephisto Shredder" around with a weaker engine and less features. If you want "the real thing", well ... :-) >2) no flexible time per move > I couldn't and can't believe it: there is only a fixed time per move, no > flexible. Just set it to x moves in y minutes. What's wrong with that? I always don't like to see people playing program X vs. program Y with a time limit of say 5 seconds/move. This is pure random as every program can and will take as much time as the programer wants. So you really can't compare that! >3) strength > We can discuss if I will ever beat Shredder1-3 but one always wants the best > program to get the best analysis (e.g.) > Shredder has/had some highlights of course, but all in all I think it is a >bit behind. Maybe Sherdder can compete with other programs, I don't know, but > at the moment I am running a match against Hiarcs7 which doesn't look well >although Shredder has a speed advantage of 50%. So far: > Hiarcs7: 11.0, Shredder3: 7.0 > (Shredder on K6-200/24+8MB hash, Hiarcs7 on MMX166/47MB hash, 40/120+rest/60) OK, so you want a stronger engine and don't care so much about features, right? >What really pleases is, as I mentioned above, the real true Windows GUI and the >autoplayer within Shredder. Exemplary! >BTW is it a bug that I can't load the next/previous game via the button/icon? It >worked well in Shredder2 but now I have to load the games again with CTRL-L >although I don't need to select a database, directly I get the game list. Sorry, I didn't get this. The buttons work fine on my computer. >And, finally, I hope it didn't disturb you too much to lose against P.ConNers >while I said in the middlegame that black had the better position. Maybe I was >wrong. :-) Or Shredder patzte. ;-) Oh, you've been to Paderborn. Maybe everybody should wear name tags next time :-) Stefan
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