Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 14:26:03 09/05/05
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On September 05, 2005 at 14:49:08, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >to compare stefan with kasparov is a joke from your side because not stefan is >Wch but SHREDDER. i related the way they behave as fair sportsmen. and stefan is a very fair sports men. this is something that should be honored IMO. >while kasparov is a real chess champion. shredder is many time world computer chess champion. and stefan is the father of shredder. >also I doubt very >much that you can talk with SMK about the details of his programming. there is no need to talk about chess programming. it is interesting to talk about the game and relate the main lines, the scores and evaluation. > but the >private life of programmers isn't interesting at all. any private life is interesting if you are used to somebody. thats called friendship IMO. if you meet people for many years, you feel with them and for them. > I see his friendliness as >the same of voyagers during a long-distance flight or in a train. the voyage is >the main thing and the passing of the time is the united task - this is the >reason for the general friendliness during a CC tournament which you enjoy so >much. but I doubt that any of the programmers from Lang to SMK are really >interested in you and your tests. you can doubt. the results are things i would have done anyway. > you are just one of hundreds of beta-testers. >[* see footnote below] thats enough for me. >I for one always saw a big problem in the exploitation of young beta-testers by >chess programmers with exception of Bob Hyatt. i don't feel exploited. it makes fun for me. and i like to help people. > like you they have much spare >time to give and they are seeking for dedications with sense. but they never get >into the heart of the programming itself. that is unimportant. the programmer programs. the tester tests. > you were the exception in CSTal >because ChrisW was on his retreat without motivation to do something, but this >is really the exception when you could feel yourself as the driving force. i did nothing. chris did all. i was only watching what he was doing. >also >with DEO (REBEL) you had a similar experience because Ed Schroder was lost - you >didn't even know if he was still living in Europe. :) ed got too many emails. >the whole attitude of the important people became visible in Paris in 1997. it >was YOU with your cell-phone who informed us about the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. it is a normal thing to keep others informed about the things we like to share with each other. >the >main figures would also be content if we in the internet would get no >informations at all. this is as if you were a groupie of a heavy metal band and >you would be on tour through the USA and except the audience in the halls nobody >heard something of the music. and then you make a record. the atmosphere in ICGA >is absolutely crazy. they are trying to substantiate their own importance >through the way they hold their tournaments as if they could ignore the actual >possibilities through only games. and by not informing the audience in the net >they say "tournaments like that are alive and you must travel around the world >to be a spectator - then you get the informations". if the ICGA people had lived >in the Middle Ages we would never have got the art of bookprinting because they >would have argued that this should remain a domain for the monks in monastries >and their handwriting art. yes. but one day they are gone because they have to retire. and then computerchess will get a different importance because the events can be planned better. >it is a pity that you once began to seek friendship among chessprogrammers or >operators because the art of chess is NOT of interest in their mind. it helps that the program chess rolf. not anybody is an artist. you can make a strong chess program without beeing a good chess player. take richard lang. >I'm addicted to chess and through science I'm also interested in computerchess >as a part of computer sciences. but I'm too old to become a groupie of engineers >of bridges or chess programs. we are no groupies. we are human beeings and we share the same interestests. therefore we often have to do with each other because have the same favourites. >My experience is also heavily shattered by the way the Deep Blue 2 team treated >Kasparov as a chess champion. there I could see and read online and live with >how much contempt these engineers look down on mere chess genius. oh my god! and >you want to become friend with such people? poor thorsten. i don't know the deep blue team. and i don't want to be a friend of an asshole like kasparov is. i am interested in people who like chess. not in some maniacs who are interested in their egomania.
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