Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 11:49:08 09/05/05
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On September 05, 2005 at 12:57:14, Thorsten Czub wrote: > >even when stefan meyer kahlen loses with shredder, he is still a very high >accepted social member of the group because of his social behaviour. > >they like him because he is NOT the type of guy kasparov is. > >computerchess is IMO better then human chess concerning the content. > >it gives more information. >and makes chess more interesting. thorsten, the quality of your arguments is very high although I dont agree with all of them. it's fun reading reading such a message. since I understood what you wanted to say let me just take the most important aspect to clarify where you were wrong IMO. to compare stefan with kasparov is a joke from your side because not stefan is Wch but SHREDDER. while kasparov is a real chess champion. also I doubt very much that you can talk with SMK about the details of his programming. but the private life of programmers isn't interesting at all. I see his friendliness as the same of voyagers during a long-distance flight or in a train. the voyage is the main thing and the passing of the time is the united task - this is the reason for the general friendliness during a CC tournament which you enjoy so much. but I doubt that any of the programmers from Lang to SMK are really interested in you and your tests. you are just one of hundreds of beta-testers. [* see footnote below] I for one always saw a big problem in the exploitation of young beta-testers by chess programmers with exception of Bob Hyatt. like you they have much spare time to give and they are seeking for dedications with sense. but they never get into the heart of the programming itself. you were the exception in CSTal because ChrisW was on his retreat without motivation to do something, but this is really the exception when you could feel yourself as the driving force. also with DEO (REBEL) you had a similar experience because Ed Schroder was lost - you didn't even know if he was still living in Europe. :) the whole attitude of the important people became visible in Paris in 1997. it was YOU with your cell-phone who informed us about the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. the main figures would also be content if we in the internet would get no informations at all. this is as if you were a groupie of a heavy metal band and you would be on tour through the USA and except the audience in the halls nobody heard something of the music. and then you make a record. the atmosphere in ICGA is absolutely crazy. they are trying to substantiate their own importance through the way they hold their tournaments as if they could ignore the actual possibilities through only games. and by not informing the audience in the net they say "tournaments like that are alive and you must travel around the world to be a spectator - then you get the informations". if the ICGA people had lived in the Middle Ages we would never have got the art of bookprinting because they would have argued that this should remain a domain for the monks in monastries and their handwriting art. it is a pity that you once began to seek friendship among chessprogrammers or operators because the art of chess is NOT of interest in their mind. I'm addicted to chess and through science I'm also interested in computerchess as a part of computer sciences. but I'm too old to become a groupie of engineers of bridges or chess programs. My experience is also heavily shattered by the way the Deep Blue 2 team treated Kasparov as a chess champion. there I could see and read online and live with how much contempt these engineers look down on mere chess genius. oh my god! and you want to become friend with such people? poor thorsten.
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