Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 02:00:48 02/19/06
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On February 18, 2006 at 17:20:59, stuart taylor wrote: >On February 17, 2006 at 12:55:10, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>On February 17, 2006 at 12:03:28, Marc Lacrosse wrote: >> >>>On February 17, 2006 at 11:44:05, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>> >>>>On February 17, 2006 at 04:55:08, John Jack wrote: >>>> >>>>>Shredder 10 is due two be released in April. Will it be stronger than Rybka??? >>>>> >>>>>J.J >>>> >>>>Shredder 10 is planned to be released in March and not April. >>>> >>>>For the second question it is not easy to answer as Rybka commercial version is >>>>not available yet and Shredder 10 is not ready yet (under development still), so >>>>you will have to wait March to find out. >>>> >>>>Sandro >>> >>>Thanks for the information Sandro ! >> >>you welcome. >> >>> >>>By the way, will there still be two different versions (UCI and CB) ? >> >>Nothing has been decited yet as nothing has been shown to CB yet (that I know >>of) >> >>We are still testing new better versions all the time. >> >>However my personal opinion is yes because CB will make it possible...I let you >>guess why... > >So it's coming on well! Well, so is Rybka, I guess. It's going going to be >tough. All top programmers have to again become like very young in energy and >determination. >OK, so Shredder MIGHT do it, Rybka we know. Hiarcs and Fritz are what they are, >Junior, silent, Tiger, off the scene, Fruit, looks like it did what it could, >Chess master, never were too ambitious, others retired, I don't know? First of all I am not a magician, so the following expectations are based on my knowledge of the programs and the way they are made as well as opinion on the programmers ability and williness to work on their engines... Yes, Shredder has been improved a lot, but we are still working on it, so the final version is not available yet and one cannot tell how strong it will be... Rybka we all know...expectations are easy for this program. Hiarcs is quite good and surely has more room for improvements, but his programmer, which is one of the best, is working part time so we cannot expect another big jump in the near future. I could be wrong of course if he can spend a lot of time improving the engine as he has the potential... Fritz can be improved further and I am expecting another 50-70 Elo gain. Why so much if normally it did not improved that much? Because (and this is for all programs) the info you can get from a much stronger program let you speed up the improvements being able to see more clearly the weaknesses of your program. Junior has a lot of potential too, but it seems the programmer is more busy with other stuff...it can improve a lot if he can/wants to, but I doubt it would be more than 100 Elo points... Tiger has potential too, but it looks like his programmer is taking a break, so if this is true will not improve in the near future. I would expect a gain of 50-70 Elo if he does work on the engine...he shall work on the SMP version as well... Fruit has more potential as it is still a young program and to expect 80-100 Elo improvements is not being too optimistic...his programmer is quite good. Zappa will improve further as the version we saw was weaker than the previous one. It is already a very strong program...maybe we will see a commercial version too, but not in the near future it seems... Chess Master is already strong and can be improved further, but it seems that his programmer is not interested on working on the engine as well as supply it with a professional opening book...the programmer is quite good and may change his mind...nobody seems to know... Gandalf is strong and seems to have a lot of room for improvements...his programmer is quite experienced and seems motivated to get to the top...this is one of the program I would expect the highest improvements... There are other programs which are quite strong and that can improve further...I would not forget some programmers that are not active now, but were before and that may will come back... 2006 looks quite fun for computer chess funs! Sandro > >S.Taylor >> >>> >>>Marc >> >>Sandro
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