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Subject: Re: Zappa UCI: You are all a bunch of HYPOCRITES

Author: Zheng Zhixian

Date: 18:38:04 09/05/05

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On September 05, 2005 at 18:47:24, Fernando Villegas wrote:

>What is suitable for me, let me to decide.
>Respect the rest, I do not understand the degree of agresivity of your post. My
>only point has been I like new guis in new products. I am not in war with
>nobody.

Neither am I. I just notice your fustration (which you usually mask with humor
), that people on this forum are generally interested in things like running
engine versus engine matches, running chess problems through their engines,
while you are not. How dare they fill this forum with such trash!

And worse most of them don't care about dedicated units!

So I wonder that instead of trying to command the tide to fall, ou might be
happier elsewhere. Just a thought.

>If someone like to play engines and for that need this or that, for me is
>somewhat weird, but well, anyone have the right to get his kicks the best he
>can.

Weird to you yes. But in this forum, given that you are in the vast minority who
enjoys playing computers just for fun (no attempt even to 'cheat' using
anticomputer techniques'!), you might also be considered the weird one here. :)

I do concede that from the view point of a normal chess player, the obessions of
people here do seem weird. The drive for stronger and stronger engines even
though the existing ones are plenty strong for example. The lack of interest in
playing against the computers or even trying to improve their own chess ability

But then again, this isn't a normal forum for just chessplayers! The origins of
computer chess has always being grounded on interest in the performance of AI.
To mock people in a computer chess forum with such interests seems unfair.

>So I do not care if Zappa comes or not with a facility to play engines Vs
>engines, But I would care if in order to satisfy that demand zappa would come as
>a stand alone engine, ready to be plugged to the eternal CB o Arena gui.
>So Zappa with or without UCi is not my business, but Zappa alone to play as UCI
>in another gui IS my business.

Well surely you agree that even for those asking for UCI implementation, they
are not against a new GUI (whose existence is already assured),  so their wishes
do not run counter to yours.

But that's just dodging the issue.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you do seem bitter that the rise of Winboard/UCI
means that it is now possible that engines can be shipped without GUI correct?

If you had a time travelling machine, you would go back in time and wipe out the
people who came with these ideas to ensure that they never existed :)

>Why?
>I told before. Because a pretty new gui approach the user to the experience of a
>dedicated unit, at last for a time. Don't you like novelties?

In somethings yes. But from the view point of computer chess, where the main
focus has generally being on improving chess strenght, no. The GUI is incidental
most of the time.




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