Author: Uri Blass
Date: 08:07:38 06/24/03
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On June 24, 2003 at 10:03:32, Sune Fischer wrote: >On June 24, 2003 at 09:21:35, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On June 24, 2003 at 08:30:27, Sune Fischer wrote: >> >>>On June 24, 2003 at 06:54:40, Günther Simon wrote: >>> >>>>On June 23, 2003 at 19:13:22, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 23, 2003 at 19:08:28, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>For this game I used an Athlon 1.2 GHz for FRC_TheBaron and a Celeron 433 MHz >>>>>>for Fritz 8.0.0.8. After FRC_TheBaron castled in move 14.0-0-0 Queen side Fritz8 >>>>>>did NOT wanted to continued, therefore I set Up the position from that move on >>>>>>to allow Fritz8 to continue the game, and the game was won on the endgame stage. >>>> >>>>IMO this is ridiculous, Fritz 8 just had _lost_ ,as he refused to play on, >>>>because he even did not know the rules of the game he was playing... >>>>(This are the rules for all games BTW, if you cannot react to a regular >>>>move, you lose, period.) >>> >>>Well you are correct about that, strictly speaking. >>>But since Fritz doesn't know the rules we have to cut it some slack, just to get >>>a feel for its potential. >>> >>>I do think this match is half way pointless for another reason though. >>>If Fritz had lost, it would have been because "Fritz was playing a different >>>game", so it's like a no-win situation for The Baron. >>> >>>>I cannot understand why some people completely lost their sense of logic >>>>regarding FRC, Shuffle Chess and Normal Chess. >>>>Why they cannot recognize, that they are simply playing different games, >>>>with different rules?? >>> >>>I think the problem is this: >>>The FRC championship is like the world championship, the Chess championship is >>>like the European championship. Because FRC includes chess, just like the World >>>includes Europe. :) >> >>It is easy to define a game that includes FRC and after you do it you can >>develop a program for this game and call it the world champion. >> >>One possibility is to decide that you choose 3 random pieces in the last rank >>that you can castle with them(the case when the pieces are king and rooks is >>only one private case of many cases). >> >>I do not accept it. >> >>I think that you need minimal number of participants to consider some tournament >>as a world championship. >> >>If there are only 3 or 4 engines that implement FRC then I cannot take the world >>championship seriously. > >Is there a big difference between 3-4 and 200? >200 is still a very small part of the world. > >There really is no paradox if you make an extension, because you can have two >champions, one in Chess and one in FRC. > >This is like conquering the world, except for some little island which is >heavily defended. > >IMO it wouldn't be right to say that the FRC is also the Chess champion, because >this would be like saying the World champ automaticly became also the European >champ, which isn't necessarily true. > >So I do not see a problem with you inventing your own game and become the >Universial champ, just as long as you don't claim also to be the World champ. :) > >But nevermind the titles, that's just boring hairsplitting anyway. > >I think FRC is increasing its popularity, also now with the Leko-Svidler match, >and I like it because it solves some problems (book problems!) I do not think that the book problem is very important and top programs can do well even without opening book. If you want to solve book problems than shuffle chess is enough and you do not need FRC. and takes a more >generic approach to the game. > >For instance I don't like hardwired patterns, say a bishop trapped on a7 with a >pawn on b6 and c7. I also do not like it. If I were to add this to my engine I would do it in such a >way, that a wider range of trapped bishop cases were detected, which naturally >included that cases. I beleive that doing it in that way is more productive for chess programs and has nothing to do with FRC. Uri
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