Author: Sune Fischer
Date: 05:30:27 06/24/03
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On June 24, 2003 at 06:54:40, Günther Simon wrote: >On June 23, 2003 at 19:13:22, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On June 23, 2003 at 19:08:28, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>For this game I used an Athlon 1.2 GHz for FRC_TheBaron and a Celeron 433 MHz >>>for Fritz 8.0.0.8. After FRC_TheBaron castled in move 14.0-0-0 Queen side Fritz8 >>>did NOT wanted to continued, therefore I set Up the position from that move on >>>to allow Fritz8 to continue the game, and the game was won on the endgame stage. > >IMO this is ridiculous, Fritz 8 just had _lost_ ,as he refused to play on, >because he even did not know the rules of the game he was playing... >(This are the rules for all games BTW, if you cannot react to a regular >move, you lose, period.) Well you are correct about that, strictly speaking. But since Fritz doesn't know the rules we have to cut it some slack, just to get a feel for its potential. I do think this match is half way pointless for another reason though. If Fritz had lost, it would have been because "Fritz was playing a different game", so it's like a no-win situation for The Baron. >I cannot understand why some people completely lost their sense of logic >regarding FRC, Shuffle Chess and Normal Chess. >Why they cannot recognize, that they are simply playing different games, >with different rules?? I think the problem is this: The FRC championship is like the world championship, the Chess championship is like the European championship. Because FRC includes chess, just like the World includes Europe. :) If the European champions are not interested in fighting for the world cup, then obviously they can't become world champs. It's a bit of a paradox if the World champ can't beat the European champ though :) >I can assure you that I have no connections to the developers of FRC >programs nor Arena nor am I interested at all in FRC but it makes me >sick to see intelligent people losing their logic. >Will you help F8 also to play Checkers (perhaps he can make some >regular moves from time to time?) and feed him some FENs, after inventing >a workaround for harmonizing FEN and whatever is used in Checkers? >A better example are perhaps GoBang and Go, or some others, when >a game is a subset of another game, or has _similar_ rules, which >would it make possible to play a few regular moves, but not the >_entire_ game with all possibilities. >Its even not worth to discuss about this, you have a game and this >game has fixed rules, other rules other games....its incredible... Chess engines should support more variants than chess I think. Afterall it often really minor changes that are needed. I just have a macro so I can switch into "pure" chess mode. It's just a minor speed optimization. -S. >Regards, >Günther > >If a majority now, starts to think another way than me about this >logic only problem, I will leave and search for other more logical >Humanoids in outer space ;-) >Well, perhaps I missed, that the earth is now considered as flat again.
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